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Pro quo by an office holder, the fact that cohen is going around basically being a grifter doesn't necessarily sound as a federal crime. there are things that might have been fraudulent and violation of election law in the stormy daniels thing and that might be insighted his interest. but if you're a prosecutor and you find this mess with an llc, what is going on that he's doing the $130,000 payment but also the repository for the $4 million, there's some reason to think that based on the contract with stormy daniels, which has some anomalous passages that it was sort of used in other places, ...

Robert mueller has known for quite a while. this is a revelation again of how far ahead of us he is. what do you see as the special prosecutor's main points of interests of what we have publicly learned this week? >> when he finds out about this, even though they don't -- unless there's been some act in quid pro quo by an office holder, the fact that cohen is going around basically being a grifter doesn't necessarily sound as a federal crime. there are things that might have been fraudulent and violation of election law in the stormy daniels thing and that might be insighted his interest. but ...