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You were born in hanover germany to parents who were kurdish immigrants from talking we'll be speaking about immigration and human rights welcome to the d w interview that's. mr what do you most value about germany. basically my whole life starting with. some might consider. doing what feels right getting up in the morning being. able to work without having to worry about losing a job. if something is you learn not to. the freedom is what motivates me. that. came to germany in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. persecuted religious minority your father was also a guest worker. of themselve...

Needs to step up on this issue. >> congressman, what does that have to do with all respect, with the 800,000 dreamers. these are kids who are working, these are kids who are in school, these are kids who for all intents and purposes, america is their home. some of them obviously brought here as infants. what do you want to see happen to these young people? >> well, today, today they're having trouble of even finding work and moving forward in the workplace. a guest worker bill would acknowledge that they're here. while it's not the whole loaf, it's more than half a loaf. to move them directly ...

Housekeeper was born in america. we have jobs americans won't do, and the impact of the so-called low-skilled workers isn't as high as we think. having a more sensible policy, skills based, the idea that people have had of stapling are green card to a college diploma. people come here and then go back. >> why not if somebody has an advanced degree, want to stay here, we don't allow them to stay here? it makes no sense. >> it's crazy. >> again, change the ratio. >> right. another principle would be the idea that people who are coming here should be on a path to citizenship. we have these high-k...

This congress, that immigration needs to be tackled in a piecemeal fashion going forward. >> again, just as a technical matter, you're talking about non-immigrant guest worker visas and this legislation deals with green cards, i.e., permanent immigration, so they're two totally separate categories, but i'll refer everyone here today back to the president's comments during the primary when he said, my job as a businessman is to follow the laws of the united states. and my job as president is to create an immigration system that works for american workers. and that's one of the reasons why i thi...

>> the other question is, can he sell that to his base. what has he really delivered on immigration? he's had i.c.e. be nastier, which i think is an important deliverable. >> yes. >> there haven't been significant broader policy changes in terms of legal immigration. we've had the -- they've issued extra guest worker visas, that will be used at mar-a-lago. he's delivered on stepping up enforcement on illegal immigration, he hasn't delivered on broad changing immigration policies. >> betsy, it's always been the case that it would be easier to hurt the people that he said he would hurt than to h...