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how conservatives and liberals think this country should raise and spend its money is a very, very valid discussion to have. sadly, that's not the one we're having. thanks to both of you, -- and solar and political economy in the american enterprise institute. he's the author of a dream is not dead, but populism could kill it. jennifer reuben is an opinion writer at the washington post, and msnbc political analyst host of the new podcast, jen reuben's green room. all right, straight ahead, we'll continue our breaking news coverage of the debt ceiling negotiations, which are ongoing r...

room one day before a doj official came for the classified documents. the worker was reportedly helping trump val l.a. matt nauda move the boxes but didn't know what was inside of them. nbc has yet to confirm that account. it comes on the heels of a similar "the washington post" report which says workers allegedly carried out a, quote, dress rehearsal for moving sensitive papers his office received a may 2022 subpoena. and more shocking details from that report reveal trump showed those classified documents to other people. quote, prosecutors have gathered evidence that trump at time...

i'm abby philip, and washington, where today cameras captured what might be the final chapter in a truly american story. a jury, sentencing the man once known as america's mayor to what is, essentially, a financial death penalty. rudy giuliani, now on the hook for $148 million. $148 million for the harm he caused to two women. shame moss, and ruby freeman. moss and freeman are the georgia election workers whose lives were forever altered after giuliani made them the crux of a nonsense voter fraud conspiracy. now, the sheer size of this penalty is, really, stunning. 16 million for def...

now. ♪ my life is like -- >> lawrence: good morning. we are at the sun flower cafe in fort myers florida. got in late last night. it's good to be in the free state of florida. been talking with some folks. the talk of the town is ron desantis and donald trump. and they love their governor, but they love their form are president as well. we have been having some conversation. a lot of these folks are living paycheck to paycheck, guys. i will send to you all in new york. >> steve: all right. and, lawrence, it looked like when the camera guy he was sweeping through that crowd. it look...

this. [laughter] we prefer al baher next to be in a bowl. [laughter] after anheuser-busch hired dylan mulvaney, sales are down 25%. the company is even talk about redesigning the labels. here is the new label. [laughter] and actually, here is my suggestion. [laughter] i mean, let's be honest. she seems like a barrel of laughs or at least 2 barrels. [laughter] and now with another company seems to be messing with their core audience. here you have 81-year-old martha stewart on this year's "sports illustrated" swimsuit issue. that is not bad for 81. and she is actually a woman. [laught...