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these other objects were flying under that threshold so they were shot down, lawmakers new say causes policy questions, like over 60,000 feet, a pass, automatically shoot it out of the sky below 60,000 feet, and officials have said there is no indication right now that these recent objects, the three of them, were conducting any surveillance, but they have not explained all of the reasons why that is. they also were asked if they could rule out aliens or extra terrestrials, they are not able to rule out aliens on the front end. we are looking forward to the answers we will get today, john. >> john: before we entertain an h.g. wells fantasy, might be worth asking if we can see the gun camera video.
flew into their airspace. we also know the pilots seemed to have ejected from the video that's being shown by russian tv. russia has already claimed that it was not in turk irairspace. russia also claims it was shot down by a land artillery piece which seems ludicrous right now. we know there have been incursions into the turkish airspace. turkey has warned not to do it. this is a premonition we've had based on russia crossing over international borders on several occasions and almost thumbed their nose at the turks. >> hasn't turkey said the coalition fighting isis could use their airspace? >> not yet. they haven't given that permission to russia. in fact, they warned russia multiple times to stay out of their airspace. what compounds this issue is the fact that turkey obviously is a nato country as well.
the reason it's relate evant is donald trump may be president of the united states and what he says has to be accurate and thousands and thousands is a gross exaggeration. if you're president of the united states, don't you have to say it right? >> if mr. trump said thousands -- >> thousands and thousands. >> i would have to turn around and say that he's probably right. >> probably right? >> he's probably right. >> he's probably wrong. >> no, he's probably right. >> there's no way to substantiate thousands and thousands. >> there's no way to say that it wasn't. the problem that you have -- >> they don't have reports. they don't have any video. >> they pull it back why? because they are told to pull it back. that's the big -- >> thousands and thousands. >> i don't have the exact number. >> did it happen? yes, it happened. was it something that showed a mass movement? >> it most certainly is. there's a movement out there. >> fbi director turn around and
confirming it was indeed a russian warplane that was taken down by that fire. they say though on a number of different levels they dispute the turkish account. first of all, they deny this warplane went into turkish airspace. they say it completely stayed inside syrian airspace where russian is carrying out air strikes against rebel groups opposed to the syrian president. they also deny that this plane was brought down by an air to air missile. turks say the f-16 interceptors were scrambled and shot the russian plane out of the sky. russians say it was brought down by fire from the ground. that will be clarified in the hours ahead. the big concern in russia at the moment was the fate of the pilots. we saw video of the two pilots ejected out of the russian aircraft after it was shutdown before the plane smashed into the ground and burst into
the other pilot, his fate unknown. >> thank you so much for that. the kremlin calling the downing of their fighter jet a serious incident. for more reaction from the russians to our breaking story, we turn to cnn international correspondent matthew chance live in moscow. matthew? >> reporter: the russians are confirming a couple aspects of that turkish account. they are saying that the plane was brought down. they confirm a russian warplane has crashed inside syria. they are also saying, this is russian defense ministry, that two pilots apparently ejected themselves and there's video of that as ben wedeman was just mentioning of the pilots, the crew parachuting down to earth moments before the plane crashes into the ground in ball of fire. but they are differing with turkish account on two separate issues. first of all, and most importantly, they say that this
said, yes, right now isis is confirmed exists in every single state. you know what? it could be thousands and thousands. it could be a thousand. what the exact number was, i don't know. i don't think it's relevant. i think what's relevant is the point that there are really bad people among us and that's what mr. trump is actually trying to portray. >> whoever did it is a terrible person. we wish we did have video so there could be action taken against them within our system. i'm just saying. accuracy is an issue. another point of this that became a flash point and it's great to get your head on it is this guy comes and protests at the event. nobody likes when that happens. that's part of the process, right? he gets beat down at the event. donald trump says maybe he deserved it. he was doing something terrible. >> he's a professional agitator. rumors are out there and the internet and social media. the guy has been tased 30 times.
now, the russians admit that this plane did go down. they are suggesting that it was brought down perhaps by ground fire. turkish officials say that two turkish f-16s intercepted this plane as it entered turkish airspace and they warned it ten times within five minutes to leave turkish airspace and when it didn't, they shot it down. now, the russians insist that this plane never entered turkish airspace, but we have seen from a path analysis map put out by the turkish minister of defense that it does appear to have entered turkish airspace. we also saw video put out by rebels in syria what appear to be two people, two parachutes ejecting from that plane. now, syrian rebels have put out video of what appears to be a dead russian pilot.
fact did shoot it down. there's going to be radar traces of the russian airplanes to show exactly where they were. >> general, they were warned ten times. that sounds bad. only in the space of four to six minutes. what is a pilot supposed to do in four to six minutes if they're already in the wrong airspace? >> that's a lifetime for an aircraft pilot going at about 300 or 400 knots. what they do is they turn around and they head back out of turkish airspace. you're talking about 30 miles in. they could turn the aircraft around and get out of that airspace but it appears from early turkish indicators that they remained in the airspace and continued to maneuver there. again, the aircraft tracks and the gun camera video will show this. ten minutes in pilot time or six minutes in pilot time is a whole long period of air time and airspace they could move out of the area. >> that's good perspective to know. do we have sense from russia of why they didn't turn around?
turkish airspace on multiple occasions and that it had been warned ten times in a span of six minutes that it was in turkish airspace and to get out. we know this is one of multiple incursions into turkish airspace by the russians. they're not authorized to do that. they're not part of the coalition so turkey has not given them permission. we seem to know that based on the video taken of the crash that two pilots did eject. we don't know their conditions. we don't know if they're safe or not. we also know that russia doesn't have any of what the u.s. military calls combat search and rescue in an area in case of an incident like this. so it was flying over an area in southern turkey north of the syrian border by about 30 miles and again both sides are giving their own story of it now. there is going to be gun camera film from the f-16s if they in
for him to simply clarify, look, i remember exactly the video he's talking about. it was shot on the west bank as a matter of fact. it's 15 arizona ago. he tries to clarify and i think that's it. i think you just leave it right there and you move on. now, there's a deeper question of were muslims celebrating and what does that mean for the campaign and what does that mean for refugee policy and what does it mean for questions about immigration and so forth. that's really where the conversation needs to go. so we don't get hung up on these tiny facts about did i see a video. donald trump says he saw a video. he says he saw a video about people celebrating by the thousands in new jersey. he clearly said he saw it with his own eyes. those are clearly not true. ben carson we should salute him for at least acknowledging there was a little bit of incorrect sort of assumptions that came out. >> he also snuck in the i didn't know there was an agenda behind the question. the agenda to get to the truth,