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We have to step up. >> you know, josh, you've written about the sort of cultural politics in play. the nra has really become -- they almost don't even talk about guns anymore, in some ways because their victory has been so total that they survey the landscape and look for new worlds to conquer. >> in some ways, too, i think they probably realize that the culture war is what buttresses their victory in the gun war. so since they've kind of gotten everything they want on the gun front, they just need to keep stoking the culture war because that's the root of their strength. the thing -- you know...

See eye to eye. lindsey graham says they have a deal. >> it has to be drafted. it will be rolled out next week. yes, i believe it will pass the house because it secures our borders. it controls who gets the job as to the 11 million, they'll have a pathway to citizenship but it will be earned, it will be long, and it will be hard and i think it is fair. and the main thing, the combination of events in this bill will prevent a third wave of illegal immigration and replace a broken immigration with a merit based economic based system to help grow our economy in the future. >> but senator marco ru...

Purpose to see how much grief he would get? >> it's like same-sex marriage, the base of the party, 25% of people support gay marriage in the nbc/"wall street journal" poll. >> organizing for action, we think the final iteration of the campaign, are asking undocumented immigrants to share their stories in reaching out to donors, trying to sort of use the organizing potential. how much influence does that have? i don't want to make too many comparisons, tomorrow facile comparisons to same-sex marriage. but in a way it's all politics is local. how can you use what you guys clearly did well in the...

Dents. and ultimately there were be repercussions for that. >> bill: i don't disagree with that i don't think the court of public opinion has caught up with you. the comments you heard from jindal and trump there is division on the immigration front and gun front. there is not a lot of unity in the g.o.p. rights now, you are one of the more conservative senators, people like karl rove are saying you have got to back off and bobby jindal you have got to come to the senator more. could you see that? >> it sort of depends on the issue. with immigration reform i am in favor of immigration reform. ...

Dents. and ultimately there were be repercussions for that. >> bill: i don't disagree with that i don't think the court of public opinion has caught up with you. the comments you heard from jindal and trump there is division on the immigration front and gun front. there is not a lot of unity in the g.o.p. rights now, you are one of the more conservative senators, people like karl rove are saying you have got to back off and bobby jindal you have got to come to the senator more. could you see that? >> it sort of depends on the issue. with immigration reform i am in favor of immigration reform. ...