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And we're still able to sell him a gun. we are -- we're one of the largest firearms dealers in the country. when we realized there was a real problem, we felt we had to stand up and say something. and we did. and it's frustrating that washington isn't stepping up to do their job. >> was it frustrating to lose business? you've seen a decline in sales. that's not new news. i want to ask you about the activism groups that said, thank you for doing this. or the same groups, before you took action, that said, we might look to boycott you. when you did the right thing, did they clearly reward you wi...

So it is a significant move. i think their customer base will just go around them and buy guns. this is what happens when you ban any type of gun or clip or whatever, people get around of existing regulations as it stands. but we're seeing this week something we haven't seen in the wake of almost any other shooting, mass shooting, is that people on the gun side of the equation are finding areas to wiggle. republicans are suggesting -- >> ed stack is a republican. >> donald trump has said a couple of times this week in the white house, hey, look, where is the nra going to go, they have to go to...

Could have been lessened. that said, and i want to be clear here, let's not be diverted. there's two factors here in this. there is these incidents. they happen. even when the police do everything right, unfortunately crime still does happen and incidents will lahappen. we need to lessen the incidents. i plan to be as aggressive on those failures as i am on the gun side of this debate. that's the other part of this. without these guns and without these weapons available to those who get through the cracks of human behavior, who can take advantage of the fact that they're going to pull off one ...

Then we've got to have the debate and move forward on banning assault rifles like they were until 2004. >> how about that? do you still support your leaders? >> so, alisyn, two things, number one, ted can put me down on his legislation right now. i will add my name to it as soon as he is ready to file it. number two, i have already talked to speaker ryan about allowing the house to debate and consider legislation of this nature and, by the way, i want to thank the speaker because he was receptive. we had a good conversation -- >> is he going to do it? >> did he commit to doing it? >> i also wa...

This goes to your question about not wanting to alienate customers on either side of this debate. it's really hard not to do that. if target is just quiet about the whole thing, the anti-gun group could say they're supporting the gun side of the equation. it is a tough call for retailers. as for whether or not this impacts their bottom line, it's too early to tell. they have statements against carrying guns in their stores, so it's hard to tell at this point, not to mention the fact even with we do see a sales decline, it will be hard to assess whether that is tied to these statements and pres...