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what about 4chan, which is one of the really sort of dark, extremist places? what about other places beyond those that you just named? >> so targeting a lot of these others, the gun manufacturers, the gun suppliers, armor builders, all of these people. this is part of what i would say it's a relatively new movement from what is now a number, too many, victims of mass shootings, of mass killings. for example, i will say that based on what we've seen it is an uphill battle, but not a battle that is completely lost every time. after the sandy hook shooting, i mean it took years, but some of the families of those that were killed sued ramming ten gun manufacturers. the manufacturer there, and they won, a settlement over $70 million. >> they said it could not happen, and it happened. they folded out. >> exactly. so people see that, and they go maybe we can do that, in our mass shooting, in our shooting that affected our community. also on top of that, you talked about the uphill battle of

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