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Mind about different presidents as he prepared for the presidency? and we ended up talking about babe ruth and lydia ko, the great asian-american golfer because babe ruth had been asked according to trump by sports writers in the 30s, hey, babe, how do you hit the long ball? and ruth said, i don't know, i just swing at it. and trump said, i just swing it. and lydia ko had been asked what are her swing shots and she said, i don't know. i just hit the ball. at least he was clear with us. there's no lucy and the football here. he is a gut player. it's instinctive, and he is totally convinced that...

Perhaps will go on to others if he continues leisure reading about this? >> well, you know, we are living right now in the political equivalent of climate change. it's either really cold or really holiday. there is not really a temp rat middle anymore. to continue that metaphor for a moment, president trump is essentially living in a snowstorm of information. he picks thing up here and there. sometimes they are integrated fully. sometimes he picks them up very briefly and it melts quickly. we've seen that with significant policy things. we've seen it with small passing thing. it's very clear t...

Sometimes they are integrated fully. sometimes he picks them up very briefly and it melts quickly. we've seen that with significant policy things. we've seen it with small passing thing. it's very clear that he believes in being an intuitive gut player. he's not a big reader of biography. and that's okay. i mean, it's -- you know, the country or at least an electoral college majority of the country decided that this was worth the roll of the dice at the moment. what is i think unsettling, if you will, is that -- and with all respect to my friend gene, i think jackson has a lot to teach him if ...

Fully. sometimes he picks them up very briefly and it melts quickly. we've seen that with significant policy things. we've seen it with small passing thing. it's very clear that he believes in being an intuitive gut player. he's not a big reader of biography. and that's okay. i mean, it's -- you know, the country or at least an electoral college majority of the country decided that this was worth the roll of the dice at the moment. what is i think unsettling, if you will, is that -- and with all respect to my friend gene, i think jackson has a lot to teach him if he would pause and think about...

That n that regard mario cuomo was not a show horse. he worked tirelessly in albany and goes down as one of the three or four best governors that new york's had in the 20th century. i mean this is a state that had people like theodore roosevelt and franklin roosevelt as governor. he was also an amazing father and his children have done so well and it's continuing his legacy and that's nothing that slight. and finally when he said "no, no i don't want to run for president, no i don't want to be on the u.s. supreme court" he later said he didn't regret it. he was following his gut. and i think t...