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Her out? where is the evidence of the september 9th phone call? did it really ever happen? certainly you want to provide that. it is the only thing that has this president saying things that are not damning. so where is it? rick perry, one of the so-called three amigos, the energy secretary who just left. what did the president tell you he wanted in ukraine? mick mulvaney, double duty as the head of omb. boy, isn't that convenient? why did this political appointee hijack the money, take the ability to do the job from mark sandy and others, who were appointed to do it, who did that and started ...

>> ken starr started out looking at real estate and he wound up with a sex act. that's legitimate? that was the worst. let's never compare anything to that if you want any leverage. >> you're the one that raised it. >> i'm raising it that you guys are living that hypocrisy. elie says you don't see any connection between the aid and the deliverables. you said it's all hearsay, all hearsay, even though it's b.s. because we're in a place where hearsay is okay. why was rudy giuliani talking to omb -- >> because the process is flawed. >> why was rudy giuliani talking to omb at around the same time ...

Else, the interests of the president. the fact that he now is contacting omb, it really raises the specter that there is not a single shred of credibility to the claim that the holding back of that aid had anything to do with fighting corruption in ukraine which has been the president and his defenders' last line of defense saying well, yes, he did all these things but he did it because he's concerned about corruption in ukraine. giuliani's involvement with omb and likely involvement with the holding up of that vital aid cuts the legs out from under that defense. >> and how it ties together wi...

Certainly you want to provide that. it is the only thing that has this president saying things that are not damning. so where is it? rick perry, one of the so-called three amigos, the energy secretary who just left. what did the president tell you he wanted in ukraine? mick mulvaney, double duty as the head of omb. boy, isn't that convenient? why did this political appointee hijack the money, take the ability to do the job from mark sandy and others, who were appointed to do it, who did that and started to overtake the process of when it would go to ukraine. why? and what in the world was the ...

House officials. so, one thing's for sure, this parnas is not just some guy on the outside who doesn't know anything. he's in there. now we know rudy took credit for getting the u.s. ambassador removed. but the day she was ordered home, he talked to the white house eight times, all right? the next day, joe biden announced he's running for the white house. we now know for sure what the president wanted. the question for the democrats is can you show that's why aid was withheld. now, that takes us to august 8th. mark sandy at omb, the agency that controlled the aid, remember, he testified. he sa...