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Int interferen interference, forget the russia report. and on april 23rd and april 24th, another series of calls between giuliani, parnas and white house officials. this parnas is not just a guy on the outside who doesn't know anything. now we know -- the next day joe biden officially announced he was running for the white house. that's all before you get to the president's self-proclaimed perfect phone call with his ukrainian counterpart. we now know for sure what the president wanted. the question for the democrats is can you show that's why aid was withheld? now, that takes us to august 8th...

Comments that nunes made and calling them a hoax and a sham and all that stuff and then he sits and listens to the testimony of mari yovanovitch talking about the smear campaign knowing he may have been a player in that very smear campaign. you're right, there's nothing prohibiting nunes for having contacts with the president's lawyer and the president's now-indicted friend and a very conservative journalist john tollman, but it sure does raise a lot of ethical questions about whether or not he should have disclosed that to the committee. >> sometimes media can play it cheap and they ask quest...

Comments that nunes made and calling them a hoax and a sham and all that stuff and then he sits and listens to thele -- by the president and his allies in this smear campaign knowing he may have been a player in that very smear campaign. you're right, there's nothing prohibiting nunes for having contacts with the president's lawyer and the president's now-indicted friend and a very conservative journalist john tollman but it sure does raise a lot of ethical questions about whether or not he should have disclosed that to the committee. >> sometimes people can play it cheap. mr. nunes is more th...

On that aid may be illegal. august 8th giuliani made some 19 calls or texted with either the white house or omb. around the same time sondland, volker, giuliani are talking deliverables with ukrainians. same time he's with omb about who controls the money and talking to ukraine about what they have to do to get the money. the only piece of evidence that muddies what seems to be a clear effort to pressure the ukraines to get after the bidens and conspiracy theory is one phone call, this mysterious september 9th phone call where the president said all the right things to sondland. remember, he m...

Estate and wound up with a sex act. that's legitimate? that was the worst. let's never compare anything to that if you want any leverage. >> you're the one that raised it. >> i'm raising it that you guys are living that hypocrisy. this is what i want to ask you. elie says you don't see any connection between the aid and the deliverables. you say nah, it's all hearsay, all hearsay, even though that's bs because we're in a place where hearsay is okay. why was rudy giuliani talking to omb -- >> because the process is flawed. >> why was rudy giuliani talking to omb at around the same time that mar...