int interferen interference, forget the russia report. and on april 23rd and april 24th, another series of calls between giuliani, parnas and white house officials. this parnas is not just a guy on the outside who doesn't know anything. now we know -- the next day joe biden officially announced he was running for the white house. that's all before you get to the president's self-proclaimed perfect phone call with his ukrainian counterpart. we now know for sure what the president wanted. the question for the democrats is can you show that's why aid was withheld? now, that takes us to august 8th. mark sandy at omb, the agency that controlled the aid, remember, he testified. he says at about that time trump's political appointee at omb took control of the money supposed to be going to ukraine. why? sandy complained that the hold