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realistic hope right now, as we sit here, that this time will be different? >> greg abbott would like us all to think that this is a mental health problem, every expert will tell you that these people -- that there are no indicators of mental health. that they're rational people, that they plan these things out. they're psychopaths, sure. but you're never going to really truly isolate them and identify them beforehand. and the experts around the country suggest that. there's mental health problems all over the world, but you don't have incidents like this happening all over the world...

Look, i think, chris i've been on-scene commander in shoot-outs and crazy things. just to help the discussion, let me just tell you how i think it should have went. because we're all talking about how we think it went badly. when the on-scene commander is inside, he's got 19 officers, most who have long guns. and he reaches the breach point, in other words, he reaches the point where he's just outside the door with his team and the guy's inside. the first failure is he doesn't have the key and he's chief of the school district police. nevertheless, the active shooter training is not to just ru...