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this is no typical case. according to district judge beryl howell, she says giuliani is likely to hide his assets from the plaintiffs, ruby freeman and shaye moss, adding, quote, giuliani has never denied that he has taken steps to hide his assets from judgment creditors and has offered no affirmative pledge that he will take no steps to do so. joining us right now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, and former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance. welcome to you both. ken, starting with you here. realistically, what does this mean, both the ...

Heard about the script and loved it and offered to finance tom's film if -- and this was a condition -- if he, the banker, could direct it. >> takes a second mortgage out on his house to pay for a film and resigns from the bank and says, i'm going for it and it's like, god, i got the right guy. the guy's perfect. >> of course, tom now had to call pat moug up at the livonia, michigan, police department and tell him the news. the movie about jennifer's death now had financing and would be made but pat would not be directing. >> he said at that time i was going to be sorry. i thought he meant cin...

It and offered to finance tom's film if -- and this was a condition -- if he, the banker, could direct it. >> takes a second mortgage out on his house to pay for a film and resigns from the bank and says, i'm going for it and it's like, god, i got the right guy. the guy's perfect. >> of course, tom now had to call pat moug up at the livonia, michigan, police department and tell him the news. the movie about jennifer's death now had financing and would be made but pat would not be directing. >> he said at that time i was going to be sorry. i thought he meant cinematically. as a -- his ideas for...

On his house to pay for a film and resigns from the bank and says, i'm going for it and it's like, god, i got the right guy. the guy's perfect. >> of course, tom now had to call pat moug up at the livonia, michigan, police department and tell him the news. the movie about jennifer's death now had financing and would be made but pat would not be directing. >> he said at that time i was going to be sorry. i thought he meant cinematically. as a -- his ideas for the film or whatever. that's what i meant by i was going to be sorry. >> tom morgan will have his movie. he will bring his nightmare to l...