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The bbc�*s security correspondent gordon corera. hi, good to have the on the programme. just help me understand the allegation here. how china is accused of organising all of this. well, this is a major hack that took place earlier this year, a link to microsoft exchange, as he said. what western intelligence experts say that this wasn't espionage as usual, but turned into something much bigger in which chinese based hackers launched what they call a kind of smash and grab raid globally and passed the exploit the vulnerability, the back door if you like into lots of microsoft exchange system...

The -- the -- sort of the hint of talks on cyberissues, obviously, russia -- the russian government is well aware, i assume, and correct me if i'm wrong, on the hacking groups. which exist in their territory. and i mean, nobody -- none of those groups could exist, i assume, without the permission of vladimir putin. so, is having talks -- does that really -- does it matter if they are willing to have talks? as long as they are willing to continue to support hacking groups? >> well, that's what we are going to have to push. i mean, you know, talks are no good, unless there are results. and, you ...

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Training. ransomeware happens when an unsuspecting employee clicks on an email attachment and it is malware disguised as something inoctoberous and how the trojan horse gets in. they need some training to understand that there is actually skin behind the keyboard on the other side and in the adversaries seeking to do us harm and basic training things you can do. intelligence community can share threat information as we do on terrorist attacks and we have to take the fight to the enemy. find these hacking groups, fix their location and disrupt them before they target us in the first place. >> d...

Attachment and allowing trojan horse to penetrate colonial pipeline or jbs. those things are easily stopped with training but i also think that we need to direct our intelligence communities, putin is giving them safe haven just like the taliban gave al-qaeda safe haven. we need to find, fix and disrupt hacking groups. that's the job of our federal government because they are targeting our critical infrastructure. neil: we will see if anything changes in the tone of the summit and exactly what president biden brings up with vladimir putin, but we will know probably a lot more in a couple of we...