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Large businesses. so let's dig into this decision now with normer u.s. attorney harry lickman. am i right this is major -- i know it was a split right down ideological lines. so do you think it's a major blow? >> major blow and seems to suggest more to come, a real assault on the administrative state i think by the new conservatives. >> do you believe the biden administration was within its rights legally to put this vaccination requirement in place? what does the law say here? >> i do. the law says osha must -- must do it if there's grave workplace dangers. the majority said, well, the danger...

20-year-olds who are unvaccinated are actually safer than the older workers who are vaccinated? so there are obviously some differences. >> okay. let me just before you answer that. the science is that vaccinated people regardless of age are way less likely to get seriously ill or die from covid than unvaccinated. what did you make of those remarks? >> well, i thought it was puzzling and bizarre, but if you put it together with some of the things that the people on that side were saying, i think he's really worried and so is aleto about people who feel their liberty interests are being violate...

>> they used that essentially as a dodge? >> absolutely. >> when you mentioned u.s. v nixon. this goes to a big question. harry, are you comforting getting really boring with me. >> yes, i am. >> i'm kidding. this is important. >> should we make our voices slower. >> this is important. u.s. v nixon, everyone knows in at least the broad strokes nixon lost because people remember things went to the supreme court and he was out. if you are worried about presidents breaking the law that seems to stand for something good. but it's more complex because u.s. v nixon can either stand for the general n...

Who worked with bob mueller, james comey, so knows some of the players. let me start with the conferring we are just having. on one hand u.s. v nixon seems like bad news for a president on the run. on the other hand it is narrower than some of the issues that would be presented in a u.s. v trump. >> harry is 00% right on this in that -- 100% right on this in that there will be a fight. i do not think these changes, especially in trump's attorney today, are indicative of anything but okay let's gear up, let's put our helmets on, let's suit up and we are going to fight this thing. look, you look...

This to my mind stronger in public this week than we have ever seen him. >> i agree, ari. i think rod gives a wit about the threat of being fired. i think mueller could care less about the threat of being fired. these are two guys that are going to do under job. and they are going to call it like they see it. and they are aggressive prosecutors. they have been aggressive prosecutors. and i think they will continue to be aggressive prosecutors. >> guy lewis, congressman ted liu, and former federal prosecutor harry litman an interesting piece of news an and law school. we thank you. coming up,...