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What he probably ought to do is stick to the 21st century. stick to working with republicans not segregationist democrats who are a kind of dinosaur that most voters today don't even remember and don't want to remember. and he ought to do what i think any democrat would need to do which is take care you're talking in the right way to a key constituency, namely african-american voters who frankly didn't exist in any significant numbers in the '60s and '70s when joe biden was getting into politics. >> sarah, i'm not clear that former vice president joe biden likes the lens of 2019 being put over...

Arrested? >> i think it would be funny if they arrested me. >> bob mueller probably does, too. i mean, he doesn't play. i worked with him. i worked in the bush white house when he was the fbi director. he doesn't crack jokes. he doesn't play. and i'm sure there is nothing funny to him about the investigation to potential collusion with russia being impeded by this clown. >> there are a lot of characters around the trump universe that have this kind of attitude, which is we don't care, we're burning it down, everything is funny. let them come at me. this might be sort of this misguided naive at...

These players, of course, they're risking in some cases like colin kaepernick, he doesn't play for an nfl team anymore. he's lost his ability to make a living as an athlete because of his stance on this issue, but they are courageous. they have a right to be heard, to protest, to disagree. and they ought to be heard. >> erin d., is there a sense in your mind that the president went too far this time? i'm just going to speak based on the conversations i've had throughout this day. they have been very passionate. and at least from the anchor desk, it feels like this is different. >> this has ign...

To force him. is that a trap for him? >> i don't think so? >> he said in the past, we have to figure out how people who should be here can be here. finding a path to citizenship. itis not in it. >> he does say that. he says they are going to leave. he wants to figure out how to make the policy easier for them to come back. they have to be good for america. what this will do is help to clean out all the problems that we have with the illegal immigration. >> but, is he just playing strong or our his ideas not as severe as they come across here? >> donald trump doesn't play. he doesn't play. >> w...

He doesn't play by anybody's rules. >> i watched that interview with jeffrey. he said that nato inclusion, expansion of nato to include ukraine would be such a provocative statement to putin, it would be dangerous. but in 2008 there was an effort to bring ukraine and georgia into nato. we didn't bring georgia and ukraine into nato primarily because of russian objections. we accommodated russian objections in the hopes we would make russia feel more secure. there was a headline over the weekend in the new york city that said "russian defiance in ukraine strengthens assad in syria." >> that's ri...