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So upset about this. Especially reportedly saying, giving him advice not to resign, saying that he could weather this. Again, this is an accused Domestic Abuser. Right. You have to question kellys judgment. And, you know, people inside the white house say, look, many of them like kelly, some of them dont like kelly because He Silos Everything and keeps them away from the president. But one thing most people seem to agree on is that he doesnt have any political sense. And, you know, he doesnt understand political . Gloria, listen. No, in terms of i dont want to be insulting. No, but im not sayi...

So upset about this. >> especially reportedly saying, giving him advice not to resign, saying that he could weather this. again, this is an accused domestic abuser. >> right. you have to question kelly's judgment. and, you know, people inside the white house say, look, many of them like kelly, some of them don't like kelly because he silos everything and keeps them away from the president. but one thing most people seem to agree on is that he doesn't have any political sense. and, you know, he doesn't understand -- >> political? gloria, listen. >> no, in terms of -- >> i don't want to be insul...

And the problem i think, kelly has grown to like porter. he's dependent on him. he's the sort of staff secretary that makes the trains run on time. they had each other's back. they trusted each other. and he was acting more like a deputy chief of staff in many ways than just the staff secretary. and so i think you put all of this together, and it becomes this kind of situation where it makes you wonder in fact how long the chief of staff can survive this if the president is so upset about this. >> especially reportedly saying, giving him advice not to resign, saying that he could weather this....