so upset about this. >> especially reportedly saying, giving him advice not to resign, saying that he could weather this. again, this is an accused domestic abuser. >> right. you have to question kelly's judgment. and, you know, people inside the white house say, look, many of them like kelly, some of them don't like kelly because he silos everything and keeps them away from the president. but one thing most people seem to agree on is that he doesn't have any political sense. and, you know, he doesn't understand -- >> political? gloria, listen. >> no, in terms of -- >> i don't want to be insulting. >> no, but i'm not saying on the abuse stuff, but i'm just saying, a priori, this is such a terrible thing, get rid of him. >> why is he even still there after all of this time? >> that's a good question. >> i want to get to jim. chief of staff, john kelly, we're talking about him.