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Tradition of gun ownership, it goes back to the founding of our country. but i also believe there can be and must be reasonable regulation. because i support the second amendment doesn't mean that i want people who shouldn't have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family. and so when i think about what we need to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. i think we need comprehensive ba background checks, need to close the online loophole, close the gun show loopholes. there's other matters that are sensible, that are the kind of reforms that would make a di...

Not okay with what he said but is it going to make you flip over? it isn't. >> kayleigh, one of these women feels like she can believe everything trump says. and then of course he's the one who said he grabs women. so presumably she doesn't believe that specific. is there anything that would make these women turn from trump? or at this point absolutely not. >> my family does the same thing. they pray donald trump does become president and the reason is not that we support his language. of course no one supports that but we realize the stakes. we realize the hobby lobby decision the right to no...

Thought they needed a gun to protect themselves and their homes. today over 60% believe that. it's an evolving issue and even the supreme court has evolved on it. in 2008 in the heller decision, the supreme court said the second amendment guarantees those rights to individuals, not just the militia. all the issues are involving. right now only new york, illinois, california, south carolina, and florida do not allow open carry. >> do you think there are too many -- >> no. >> do you think there are too many hurdles -- you didn't let me finish. do you think there are too many hurdles to get a con...

I filed a lawsuit when i was sheriff against the brady bill. i won at the united states supreme court. president obama ignores the heller decision, ignore tess mcdonald decision, was done by a black man from chicago trying to keep his gun rights. and yet mr. obama completely ignores that and he's the won one responsible to enforce the heller decision. but he refuses to do that. and he also refuse toes -- >> my question was what do us to this grieving father and to the grieving families? >> to any of these families, yeah, absolutely, it's a great question. those families have to recognize these...

Gun rights, rights by the way, even in, by far the most conservative interpretation by the scalia court and heller decision. he dent grant that we can't regulate guns, background checks, ban exotic weapons, assault rifles, and stop concealed carry. and regulate that. it is important to know there is a lot we can do. we just need to make sure we will not give into the organization anymore. >> cliff schecter. thank you for your work and thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me on, ari. >> coming up, when chuck hagel criticized those who have unfairly gone after bowe bergdahl's parent...