People, and more conservative and right leaning folks already focused on how to reduce costs. we have a big that does neither. i think that's why we're having such a difficult time. it needs accomplishes either of the two important aims that help policy generally on tries to solve. >> let me ask you this, though. when i study health care around the world and the rich countries, 34 out of 35 with the exception of the united states that have a form of yul health care, there are a number of way toss skin this cat. they don't all have to be single-payer system, but the once thing they have in comm...