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Tariffs. so a political pickle for the president. at the same time he has put these tariffs on, he has significantly decreased his ability, his leverage to get this trade deal across the finish line. >> is it a political pickle, though? this is the president's game plan, it's what he does for 50 years in business, he bluffs, he plays a game of chicken. >> it's not the president's game plan because for the last several months his white house has been working overtime to get this big trade deal over the finish line. he's been working with democrats, they've been working with republicans. then ye...

And a lie and cheat. you talk to people in the construction and housing business, the trumps lie constantly. they'll never pay you back. they're mantra is, what are you going to do, sue me, right? so there are constantly people who have been burned. we've seen this. now we're seeing it on a national level where he's doing this to the global economy, where he's bluffing, he's blustering. >> he thinks daddy will bail him out. or someone will. >> we will be the ones. we still haven't seen his taxes. >> exactly. what you get here is an interesting thing. we understand he created this narrative abo...

Business, the trumps lie constantly. they'll never pay you back. they're mantra is, what are you going to do, sue me, right? so there are constantly people who have been burned. we've seen this. now we're seeing it on a national level where he's doing this to the global economy, where he's bluffing, he's blustering. >> he thinks daddy will bail him out. or someone will. >> we will be the ones. we still haven't seen his taxes. >> exactly. what you get here is an interesting thing. we understand he created this narrative about himself up from the boot straps, right? we understand if he would hav...

The wall. are you okay with that? >> i'm not okay with calling it a spectacle, erin. i, frankly, appreciated the transparency. i've been in a lot of meetings like that, and those kind of tough meetings among people that just disagree are pretty standard on capitol hill and i think the american people can handle it. >> so, when he says he's proud to shut down the government over the wall, you don't think that was showboating or grandstanding? you take it face value, you think he's going to do it. >> i can't speak for the president. i can give you my perspective. i don't want to see government s...

Have the cards, i'd fold them because i don't think he's bluffing. now, you can debate whether that's good policy or bad policy. >> okay, what do you think? are you okay with it? i mean, back to that question. are you okay with him shutting down the government over the wall? >> it depends on what about the wall that we shut it down over. i don't think there's any reason to shut the government down. >> what do you mean what about the wall? i mean, the wall. >> i think that the $5 billion request by the president is a perfectly reasonable request. i think that legal immigration is very good for ...