Very familiar to the ukrainians and the russians. it's basically the russian war horse when it comes to tanks and that kind of armor. the ukrainians would be using these tanks in a very flat area right here. what they can do with them is use them to go after russian forces that would be going into the donbas. the russians have telegraphed that they're going to into into this eastern region which they've occupied part of. the tanks can be used to counter russian tanks, and also go in and dislodge the russians from these areas. that's potentially a bit of a game changer for ukraine. >> colonel, ...