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That the way americans, what they see of muslims, on the news every day, is only, basically, people that are perverting the religion and conducting terrorism. >> well, that was what george w. bush said to his credit, after 9/11. he stood with islamic leaders, here in washington, and said that those hijackers are perverting islam. they are hijacking islam. and that the -- that islam is a religion of peace. that was a very strong statement. very important for him to make. and you remember a lot of the islamophobic attacks we feared might happen didn't happen after 9/11. and trump is just the opp...

Trade center? and it gets back to this larger question. there's a strong case in here that the way americans, what they see of muslims, on the news every day, is only, basically, people that are perverting the religion and conducting terrorism. >> well, that was what george w. bush said to his credit, after 9/11. he stood with islamic leaders, here in washington, and said that those hijackers are perverting islam. they are hijacking islam. and that the -- that islam is a religion of peace. that was a very strong statement. very important for him to make. and you remember a lot of the islamopho...

It was about judaism, catholicism even went after atheism. he was specific in embracing the components of left wing pluralism. >> that's a great point. for those who are not familiar with the magazine. it's easy to see a few headlines and believe with every issue the publication targeted islam and that was not the case. >> absolutely. it targets in a satirical way faith across the spectrum. given the fact that france is has such a huge muslim population, 5 million, the biggest in western europe. given there are known to be over a thousand jihadists that have gone from france to syria. given th...

By a group. we don't know the identity. it seems to me an al qaeda group. >> picking up a little bit what the professor pointed out just to paint the landscape. france 10% muslim. most of disaffected unemployed were under employed ripe for recruitment. nevertheless as secretary kerry pointed out saying the journalists were martyrs and the people, in fact if they are acting under isis or al qaeda do not represent islam. >> yeah. i think you're picking up on that point, tamron. it's important we take a holistic approach. we're talking about a tactical counter. what is the intelligence community ...

On french militants to basically attack soft targets. this was just a few weeks ago. france is engaged and it is all out war between militants of al qaeda variety and france. the second point i want to highlight here. regardless of who has taken carried out the particular attack. it's essential to highlight we don't have perpetrators. we don't know the identity so far. what we need to understand is militants of al qaeda variety are trying to hijack islamist identity. they're trying to say we're the vanguard, the defenders in muslims. by attack this particular newspaper they're trying to sent a...