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About peace and unity and love. because that is the furthest from islam. because a muslim would not kill just for the sake of killing. especially killing woman or elderlies, or kids. >> so ayaan, what do you make of what he is saying? he is obviously in grief but he is basically saying that these people are perverting islam? >> so i acknowledge his grief. i feel his pain. but they are not perverting islam. the people who killed his relatives are invoking the quran. the question is they invoke the prophet muhammed. 1.6 billion people aspire to follow his example. did mohamed behavior in the way...

That the way americans, what they see of muslims, on the news every day, is only, basically, people that are perverting the religion and conducting terrorism. >> well, that was what george w. bush said to his credit, after 9/11. he stood with islamic leaders, here in washington, and said that those hijackers are perverting islam. they are hijacking islam. and that the -- that islam is a religion of peace. that was a very strong statement. very important for him to make. and you remember a lot of the islamophobic attacks we feared might happen didn't happen after 9/11. and trump is just the opp...

Trade center? and it gets back to this larger question. there's a strong case in here that the way americans, what they see of muslims, on the news every day, is only, basically, people that are perverting the religion and conducting terrorism. >> well, that was what george w. bush said to his credit, after 9/11. he stood with islamic leaders, here in washington, and said that those hijackers are perverting islam. they are hijacking islam. and that the -- that islam is a religion of peace. that was a very strong statement. very important for him to make. and you remember a lot of the islamopho...

But like evaluation, you have people where there are problems. now, we can say, there are no problems with the muslims. there's no terrorism, there's no anything, they didn't knock down the world trade center. to the best of my knowledge, the people that knocked down the world trade center, you know where they -- they didn't fly back to sweden. >> you know, melinda, that to me is perhaps the debate that we should be having or the conversation we should be having is, there is a lot of islamophobia in this country, and frankly the only thing many americans see when it comes to islam are the extr...

Youth? and this dream, they have been jonessing for this caliphate for a long time now. now they got it. and, quite frankly, we're not we can talk about how they're not, they're perverting islam or not really religion. doesn't matter what we think. exactly what you said. they're doing it because they believe this is what you do. the good muslims approach to life and you either convert or kill the infidels. and doesn't matter what we think. >> that's right. >> but the white house wants to treat this as sort of an okay dem i can exercise. >> i want to play marie harf and get you both to react to...