Differences and, frankly, i actually think it could be ly i. >> ann, is that the kind of debate hillary clinton wants, one on substance and the issues and drawing distinctions not only with bernie sanders but with the other three or four fellows in the race? >> absolutely. what's important about this debate is that for hillary, you get to talk to millions of americans who are watching about the issues that matter in their lives. whether it is the cost for college education, whether it is how we get middle income wages up. this is the biggest audience you'll have this far in the campaign. let's...