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Other senior members of his team to meetings with our staffers. it seems to me like he's treating the vice president like a staffer himself, that he actually doesn't understand how this process works and how representation does matter to get to a solid conclusion. >> yeah. interesting interpretation of the optics. i see where you're going with that. >> you have the president considering declaring a national emergency to get his border funding. do democrats think he's serious? could they be powerless about it? could he start building a wall using the military? >> that's a legal question. there ...

In iraq. he did generally talk about allies being able to take care of these problems not on our behalf but stepping up to the plate in their own backyard and defeating isis in a way that is beneficial to their own countries. it would have been helpful at the beginning if he said look, were getting out of syria because we have plenty of resources in iraq to deal with the isis problem. were going to continue to fight isis, taking away their territory. of course that were against the terrorist group is not done because they do exist in places like europe and the united states. i think he could h...

Keep as many troops in there as it can while it waits for this taliban peace deal and for afghan forces to step up. in terms of brett mcgurk leaving, what happened from my reporting is that the administration officials like national security adviser bolton, were talking about deflecting iranian influence in syria and keeping troops inside syria until that was able to be achieved. the turks heard this, were worried about the u.s. supporting, as they called it to me, a kurdish terrorist statelet on syrian soil, and that led to this phone call in which erdogan offered to take care of the isis pro...

Was perfectly carried out. let's go back to andrea mitchell in houston and we have john mclaughlin and msnbc national security analyst joining me here on-set. start with you to answer this big question. what is the strategy in syria right now? and what are the big strategic questions facing the united states? >> kasie, i think there really is no strategy we can put or finger on here. there are at least three messages that come out of the administration. one from the president. one from the executive branch, largely the agencies. people like john bolton. and another from the congress. so i thin...

General votel said almost at the same time the president was speaking yesterday about a complete withdrawal. >> well, you can certainly understand from the president's perspective why he would want to downsize the commitment that we have on the ground in syria and why there is a tremendous pull to try to pull troops out. yet if you look objectively at the situation we are talking about a situation where there is still a significant isis problem we're dealing with. when you use words like "defeat" and "destroy," it is a pretty high bar to get to in terms of eliminating a terrorist organization....