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he's testifying for for the first time. he could not say, for instance, that he never assaulted e. jean carroll when another court of law established that he did. you stand by it, trump, 100% yes, habba, do you deny the allegations. >> trump, i consider it a false accusation, he said. judge kaplan, that answer is stricken from the record. habba, did you ever instruct anyone to hurt ms. carroll. trump, i just wanted to defend myself, my family, and frankly, the presidency. joining us now, msnbc legal analyst, she was inside that courtroom, lisa rubin. nbc news correspondent vaughn hil...

They usually go toward the gunfire. nand that case, didn't happen. >> 19 years ago this past april was the columbine shooting, you're referencing the high school where law enforcement was still operating under the methodology, contain and negotiate. put a perimeter, try to talk to the subject. try to talk to him. find out more. and don't go in unless you have a homogeneous unit. now we train together, state law enforcement, local law enforcement, and when they get on the scene, get one or two officers and move toward the sound of the guns. we found that in the gazette shooting where police ent...