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Attorney, my recollection is he did speak, he did talk to the hearing officer at that time. He was given, from what i remember, ample time to explain the situation. The hearing officer did uphold the 30day suspension of the original notice. Basically, after i read the brief, i did, i inquired at other counties what they do regarding these and what i did was i took the most successful rate of reduction in sales to minors, which was out of Los Angeles County, and asked what they do. They do have that in their ordinance this they can charge these monetary penalties. Because of the success rate i ...

Plans tonight. Obviously thats too high if you are not going to provide egress, so something has to be done about that. We will have an opportunity at dbi but im not sure how i would get that done from our end of things. Im not involved in the plan check process so maybe some condition within an hr2 district. It went through section 311 neighborhood notice at the beginning of this year, 5 discretionary views were filed on the application, the matter was heard in may of this year and not take discretionary review. The Planning Department does not have any complaints on file for the subject file...

Mr. Elman, we just called this appeal. Were ready to have it heard when you are ready to start. Commissioners, since this matter is two appeals joined the parties will have 14 minutes to present their case. Mr. President and members of the board, i am howard elman representing the appellant, Carol Seligman and we are, the other appellant has granted us his time so that we could have a little bit more it make a coherent presentation to you, because there are some complex issues. What were asking for is that you revoke the permit thats been issued and require the permit to correct all the noncon...

This is mary murphy again. Whats before you today is a site permit. As you know from hearing a million of these, what happens is you file subsequent addendums. I think what lev is trying to say, the level of specificity with the subsequent addendums will be sorted out. What mr. Maddox has explained is that the code provides, as best i understand it, when we come forward with the addendum thats specific with the heights and the relationship with the mechanical room, we could have 200 square feet that would be more than 80 inches, but the rest of it would have to be under 80 inches. Thats a deta...

>> howard elman, i have just a couple points in rebuttal. i don't know, it's my fault, i don't know whether any of you are lawyers and it's probably a good thing that you are not, i guess. the doctrine of latches has been introduced -- yeah, merchants of misery and paid pessimists, that's what we are. latches has been introduced and it's been completely misrepresented as to how it works in this case. what we're complaining about is the new permit that is based on a foundation of what appears to be illegalities, a combination of a little bit of that while we work on that and then a li...