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Human it takes a while for it to figure out how to become more and more efficient in human to human transmission. i just don't think this makes biological sense. >> chris, i hope that makes sense. basically what he's saying is at the jump, the point of the jump the virus sort of sputters along for a while. it's got to figure out humans. this thing came screaming out of the gates at 90 miles an hour. and that's why redfield and a lot of others believe that's because it was already being exposed to human cells in a lab. i think it's a knowable answer to this. but, man, we're 15 months in, chris,...

Not that it was biomanufactured from nothing in a lab. that's number one. number two, what you say, the whole point of studying these coronaviruses in labs is that you slowly expose them to human cells and see how they behave. do they become more efficient? do they start to learn how to infect these cells in a more efficient way or not? and if they do, that's one of the things they want to sort of figure out early on because that is a virus that may have a potential for widespread even pandemic. that's the whole point of that sort of research. that's what he says is going on. not biomanufactur...

Highest possible infective ties on human cells. is this what she's known to do? >> she's not known just for that but known as a general expert on -- on coronaviruses. mark: i assume if you're making coronaviruses more lethal that there's some level of safety you need to have at these labs you said there are four degrees of safety. designated b sl-4 to bl most resign and designed for deadly pathogen and like ebola virus and we have a new bls and state of redness alarm state department inspectors who visited beijing much of her work aim to function coronavirus, you write, however, was not perfor...

Possible infectivity upon human cells. this is what she is known to do guest: she not known just for that, she is known for general expert on corunna viruses. mark: i'm assuming that if you're going to be messing around with the viruses that there is some level of safety at the slab and you say there are . that's designated from bs l1 - bsl for in the fourth is the most restrictive it. such as the ebola virus and that wuhan institute has a new lab in the state of readiness alarmed this date inspector who visited much of her work being a function of coronavirus however was not performed in the ...

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