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they were poor, and they were facing violence. the idea that that is somehow better because they were all living in the same house. >> well, joy, listen, we need to continue the conversation, quite obviously, my friend. there's a lot to unpack and that interview. thank you so much for joining me tonight. that is our show. over to lawrence o'donnell, with the last word. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. glenn kershner is going to join us tonight because glenn kershner had the pleasure of being in the courtroom today when steve bannon got his report to prison date. so we w...

me tonight. that's our show. over to lawrence o'donnell with the last word. good evening. >> good evening alex. glen kirshner joins us. we will hear about that. >> front row seat to bannon's departure for the big house. >> exactly. >> i'm eager to hear the color. >> i am, too. thanks alex. >> have a good show. >> thank you. he wasn't the most important person there. the president of the united states is usually the most important person in the room or the most important person in the stadium. or the most important person wherever the president is. not today. joe biden knew that the...

Quicker than possible. >> there were quibbles with allies but there was a great deal more patience with allies and a great deal more realism. we were fairer with the people. and you're right. there is a certain kind of impatience for things to hit the right news cycle as opposed to understanding that wars cannot be won just on cliches, emotions, rushes of impulse. they can only be won by that combination of planning, patience, and human courage. >> professor, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> it's been an honor, thank you. coming up, steve bannon is

Existed, still, in an independent form, where we could go in and help is franklin roosevelt's ingenious ways of supplying arms and other material that the british needed to stay alive in their battle against hitler, long before americans were engaged in the war in any way. >> that is exactly right. one side of it is human courage , of church hill, or perhaps zelenskyy. the other side is economic power, finding ways to convert economic power into military power. finding those clever ways to convert your manufacturing into war production, seeing that it is a long-term process and starting right ...

Arms and other material. >> one side of it is human courage. like churchill or perhaps zelenskyy. the other side is economic power, finding ways to convert economic power into military power. finding clever ways to convert your manufacturing into war production. seeing that it is a long term process and starting right away. what happened in operation overlord, operation neptune, the landing on d-day has to do with an enormous amount of application of economic power, and planning and administrative skill. >> that we needed to move