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I think, and it's not about sources, and it's about the naivete of trump. the fact that he thinks that since russia and america doesn't like isis we can talk about this and maybe he thought that way and then he said something but as far as i can tell they are saying what he said was -- >> the world of intel is about nuance and complexity and you do have to tread carefully. they said he didn't know. why didn't he know, that's a problem too. if i could comment on nancy pelosi i don't think that the democrats don't want to impeach him because i think the longer he stays they think that's actually...

25 years ago you didn't have to worry about this stuff. >> david ignatius, it makes isis' job so much easier to now seek out, track down what the intel community has long said is the most extraordinarily valuable asset, and that is a human resource. we were not able to get human intel in iran for years that led to the iranian hostage crisis, our inability to move past that. time and time again, you hear this is the greatest challenge. donald trump just gave somebody up out there who will end up dead, and that's not hyperbole, by the way. he and other people, whoever that source was inside of i...

Through human intel, travel, business records and accounts of in-person meeting, so this is part of what fbi director comey was talking about money and we have peeled it back and understand this is the context. whether or not this is true and they're still investigating, just on the law, if it is true, is it treason? >> well, it depend on intent so it's really hard to say, treason is a very high bar because of that but i would say there's a lot of focus on collusion and now you're bringing up treason. i think it very well could get to collusion and could if you can prove intent which i think y...

Story are unanswered. trump has tried to go hard at the news and brush them aside. but the question if anybody -- well, lindsay graham said if russia did this, the only way to not believe it is if you don't want to believe it. then you have to ask yourself what did trump know about this? were there contacts that were made? all those important national security questions are still out there to be answered. there's just been so much noise, trump has tried to push everybody past that. >> nicole, as communications director for president bush 43, were you present at security briefings for the presi...

>> nicole, as communications director for president bush 43, were you present at security briefings for the president? were there briefings of a level you were not allowed to be there for? >> of course. when joe biden just described is absolutely right. there are things you know, and i imagine he saw the most human intel, which is the most valuable and protected kind of intel out of anyone in congress. but he's absolutely right. you get to the white house and you would presume that's what the president-elect has started to see. so of course there were things i didn't see, and i was the communi...