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Hyperbo hyperbole. i believe a lot of this can be traced back to the anonymous whistleblower complaint. the whistleblower reframed a lot of facts at issue and caused witnesses in the inquiry toth recast their views. it's unfortunate that we haven't been able to interview the whistleblower. finally, some have likened the impeachment inquiry to a special prosecutor's investigation. if one accepted this comparison, one should also expect that like ken starr and robert mueller, the chairman should testify. all the committees believe very strongly that chairman schiff should testify and answer ques...

In public. >> laura: what politician? >> it was david benkins. it's just appalling stuff. he does this all of the time. it's anti-semitic. >> laura: how can we take this seriously? second on the list, listen to what msnbc's donnie is -- >> it's easy to forget that now. if impeachment starts to happen, even if he loses an election, whatever you think this guy is capable of doing to create a civil war, i'm not speaking in hyperbo hyperbole. >> they thought that if donald trump lost the election, he was going to do all sorts of things.

Hyperbo hyperbole. >> sometimes when the white house is accused of something, they say, i know you are but what am i. and they project immediately that same complaint on to outside. >> you're a puppet. >> no puppet. >> no puppets here. you are reporting that the president is now once again on this leak hunt. >> right. well, it's exactly that. he gets in these phases and he hasn't been in one of these in quite some time where he tries to figure out where information is coming from. he identifies a name, certain staffers while talking to other staffers. the last time that i recall that he was in...

Clinton administration. they agreed to denuclearize. it was 2002 that we found out, six years later, that they were cheating. it feels to me like that's a real danger. when you helped negotiate the iran deal, aren't those kinds of checks, cameras, inspections, that's the heart of the process? >> fareed, that's exactly right. the president to some extent has already hoisted on his own hyperbo hyperbole. he tore down the iran deal, every conceivable adjective. now can he meet the same standard with north korea. can he get them up front as iran did to dismantle virtually the entirety of its progr...

Like moving a castle around the country for the president to go anywhere. and i think that's the problem. the problem isn't specific to trump, it isn't specific to president obama. as the complaints happened during his administration. the problem is the massive overgrowth of the executive, the imperial presidency, as it's often called, and that isn't specific to any particular president. that is a problem, a bureaucratic problem we've grown up with. i think it needs to be reversed. >> listen -- >> these are consequences. >> is you see the motorcades going around. certainly you move the office,...