like moving a castle around the country for the president to go anywhere. and i think that's the problem. the problem isn't specific to trump, it isn't specific to president obama. as the complaints happened during his administration. the problem is the massive overgrowth of the executive, the imperial presidency, as it's often called, and that isn't specific to any particular president. that is a problem, a bureaucratic problem we've grown up with. i think it needs to be reversed. >> listen -- >> these are consequences. >> is you see the motorcades going around. certainly you move the office, it's giant. you did not answer, to be fair, the numbers there. he's spent four times as much time away from the white house. he's -- and this is the president who criticized obama whenever he would go golf. how do you answer that -- how do you answer that contrast? >> sure. so back in the campaign, i mean, this was -- this was the president was the king of hyperbo hyperbole. i mean, the notion he was not going to flay golf and not take