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Dd do. like right now we're spending all our time talking about stormy daniels, russia. we got all these kids with daca who are amazing people who we need to stay here, we never talk about them. i mean i'm so disgusted with the whole thing to be honest with you. because, like, we got the worst public school system in the world. you know, people talk about economic opportunity. there's only economic opportunity if you're rich. >> one of the reasons that you are so popular, beloved is you say whatever the hell you want. >> yes, sir. >> you don't edit yourself. and people say that guy's authentic...

But you have to have that mentality, we've got a game tomorrow. and the mental part is the thing you have to master more than anything. >> jordan is famously hypercompettive guy. >> yes. >> i hear he was unhappy when you criticized the charlotte franchise. >> yes, that's one of the great s sorrows of my life we're not friends. and i love the guy like a brother. he was like a brother to me, and that hurt a lot, number one. but you know, i think it's important in my job to be fair and honest because if you have a double standard -- because i say stuff about other people, too. you can't say thing...

With blacks, he definitely encourages it. >> why do you think he does it? >> well, i think he panders to his base. i don't know he won the presidency. i think they were voting against miss clinton more than anything. i really believe that. i think it's like they had two choices and they're like we don't like here, and this guy here is out of the norm, he wants to quote-unquote drain the swamp. i think that's why she lost the election. she lost it, he didn't wen it. but his actions, the way he's treated minorities has emboldened these other racists to be more bold, plain and simple. >> you said...

Process. what i mean by that is i don't want to go to work and argue with somebody every day. i'm -- >> that's what you do on "inside the nba". >> but they pay better. they pay better on that. like, when i'm watching television every day, the republicans and democrats disagree on every subject. that's impossible. that's impossible. i can bring a guy in here from the ku klux klan, and i'll guarantee you we can agree on something. we might have totally different lives and whatever, but we're not going to disagree on every single subject. when i'm watching television every day, i'm, like, come on...

At 50 than you were at 20, you wasted 30 years. >> you did an interview in 2005 with my old boss, barack obama, just after he got re-elected to the senate. and he wrote some very and said some very nice things about him. and you said he has the qualities of someone who could run for president of the united states. but you didn't he could get elected president of the united states. >> i never thought in my lifetime we'd have a black president. never thought that. but what i said was he has the it factor. when you talk to him you're like, oh, he is the smartest guy in the room. he has charisma, ...