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That most people don't care about and being nasty about it doesn't help either one of these people. i think pete has seen his day. i think i've seen this in so many races where you sort of peak a little too early and -- not saying that he's a bad candidate but the flaws of his candidacy are being shown. i think the person who did well in that debate and you heard it in your afterwards in your focus groups and someone who i think is poised because everybody likes her and i was there in iowa. and i was low in the polls. everybody liked me but no one would vote for me? why? because i couldn't win...

>> neil: you don't name him in your book, you refer obliquely to him. the tone he sets you don't like. >> it's terrible. division, attacking. i was with a principal where the school were my daughters went on he said people bully and it's kind of accepted. >> neil: do you blame him for that? >> i blame trump for a lot of that. >> neil: are you going to support him in the next -- >> i'm not. >> neil: who are you? >> i have no idea. maybe i'll write you in. >> neil: do you like anyone challenging him the nomination. >> they are fine people. >> neil: are you going to challenge him for the nominati...

Maker who gave money to democrats, that was not going to get him a ticket in the republican nomination, the way to get a ticket in was to ride in on the coat tails of people who wanted him to be run on racial resentment primarily, and that's how he got into the political fray. he got traction by attacking barack obama. i think by the time he got to the white house, he, again, we talked about this a little bit earlier today, he looked at what happened in 2016, and said everyone told me i couldn't win. this is how i won. this is how i drew my inside streak. these people, my base, they are the on...

Dehumanizing the people on the other side of the political fight or a particular account of one set of facts that we're debating. >> let me ask you this, because this is ultimately political in the sense of electorally political because it comes down to what gets folks elected, what works. there's a big midterm election coming here. your colleague, soon to be outgoing colleague jeff flake, made a very honest point recently and said listen, i couldn't say this stuff, i couldn't win as a republican if i criticized the president in the way that i do now. as long as that is the dynamic, right, whe...

Nervousness how the president will react at any given moment to the details. what happened with 401(k)s is a good example, no how, no way. he seems to want a middle class tax cut. republicans in congress want something else. >> i think donald trump, the moment any revenue raise or tax increase will be put on the table, and that's an unpopular reaction. donald trump is going to walk away with it. they'll end up with a massive tax cut and no revenue and blowing more of a hole in the federal deficit and debt. that's an issue for some republicans. again, think they need to make the argument for th...