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Substantively and politically. it is also the biggest challenge for us as american society, civil society. our institutions. what is on the other side here is on a lot of people's minds this holiday season. andy slavitt served as white house senior adviser for the covid response in the biden administration working to get as many people vaccinated as possible. he is the author of "preventible" the inside story of the u.s. coronavirus response being doomed. let's just start on the vaccination data. it continues to be a kind of informational bed rock here for all of this. here is the new york dat...

That the san francisco data was fascinating to me, when the u.s. record 750,000 or 1 million cases per day, that is a fraction of the actual number of people that have covid, or contracted covid on that day. i don't know if it's one fifth, i don't know if it's one tenth, or one 20th, but lots more people are getting this thing then are presenting. and, the positive thing about that is -- that builds up an immunity wall for whatever comes next. >> that's right. we could be talking about five or 6 million people per day by some estimates, including -- right around there, in the university of was...

Children's hospital in philadelphia said that right now we have about 90% population immunity, meaning people who have either been naturally infected or vaccinated or both. he also said that masks should be worn indoors for a few more weeks. what does being at 90% immunity actually mean in terms of getting out of this pandemic? >> a lot of people have been infected. and we have much more of an immunity wall, so to speak. and even people -- even a lot of the people who are getting infected now aren't getting really that sick. so we are in many ways in a much better place. but i don't think anyo...

And we're still far from that. so we're moving in the right direction. we just have to be a little bit, you know, more patient. when you're treating a person with cancer, you don't stop the chemotherapy when things are looking better. you stop the chemo when their tumor's gone. and we still have a ways to go. >> dr. paul offit of the children's hospital in philadelphia said that right now we have about 90% population immunity, meaning people who have either been naturally infected or vaccinated or both. he also said that masks should be worn indoors for a few more weeks. what does being at 90%...

Being doomed. let's just start on the vaccination data. it continues to be a kind of informational bed rock here for all of this.l here is the new york data. hospitalization data. that we're seeing right now. you know, we're just seeing a huge difference between the hospitalizations for folks that are unvaccinated and vaccinated. you can see that enormous spike there in folks who are unvaccinated. that's like per capita versus d vaccinated. we see this play out all over the place. the sort of immunity wall of vaccination against severe illness seems to be holding in the latest wave. w is that ...