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And he's entitled to a hearing, but unless he comes up with something, and i don't think he will, we're never -- he's never going to see the inside of a courtroom again other than as a defendant. >> you really believe he'll be disbarred? >> or he'll at least receive a suspension that's long enough that given his advanced age, he's not going to be practicing again. and i don't know, frankly, who would ever retain him given his record. >> giuliani said tonight on another channel, quote, there's no doubt if i was representing hillary clinton i'd be their hero. i represented my clients so effectiv...

No doubt if i was representing hillary clinton i'd be their hero. i represented my clients so effectively that they're trying to get me to shut up, end quote. you're not allowed to represent your client and lie brazenly, are you? >> that's exactly the point. it isn't about who he was representing. this was about the line, the incessant lying, saying that thousands of people voted in georgia, dead people voted in georgia, and, in fact, only two were found voted that way. and saying that thousands of underaged voters in georgia voted, in fact, there was a full audit in georgia and it was found t...

For this by process elimination, i suspect the iranians were, in fact, responsible. >> what are your concerns about what is potentially next? you heard from the interim defers secretary who, you know, talked about international consensus. how do we gauge that right now? >> the problem is, and the administration has some serious constraints and liabilities here. number one is the president's very strange relationship with the truth, and let's be clear, what amounts to, incessant lying. if you're taking the nation into a crisis, let alone a war, your believability, the notion you have the intell...