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spanish speaking christians were in the united states before the pilgrims landed on plymouth rock. >> spanish was the first non-indigenous language spoken in the united states, what became the united states. many people don't know that. peter, let's end on this one point, though. just to iterate it, that in your research and your understanding of the role of jun apair row sara, when you look at it on balance, was he somebody that does not deserve to be painted with the brush of having been abusive? >> i think he's a very good example of what pope francis and many, many talk about the need to have a culture in which people meet each other face to face. what sara added to the mix was the presentation of the european gospel to the indigenous, and he had it. he spoke their language. he learned their language. he was part of -- this is why we have cities named san francisco in california today. and i agree with you totally that it has to be an open debate. and that's something that pope francis himself has tried to

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