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Felony of federal that prohibits this type of disclosure. the question comes how did they get it. they got it anonymously. i'm not sure i believe that. i think it's worth an inquiry we the justice department because people have the right to keep their tax records private and the fact that rachel maddow and others at msnbc disregard that is inappropriate. >> bill: you think there's a felony? >> it comes down to how did they get it and it comes to a question of a fact and that's up to the attorney general. >> bill: you took the seat of senator ted kennedy. what a big deal that was in january of ...

Started in the office of chief counsel we had a specific provision that stated without any question do not disclose taxpayer information. it's not just the return but the information return. if do you you're subject to indictment and felony prosecution and you can go to jail. it's very serious when you distribute. >> bill: and is this a reporter or rachel maddow or other executives on msnbc and they get the information doesn't the first question have to be if they understand the law who gave it out, who gave this to us and how did we get it? >> that's correct. the media will claim and i've arg...

Valuable if not essential. it's not just a talking shop but ideas can be raised short of violent conflict and has done a lot of good from peace-keeping to feeding children and it's extremely valuable for the trump administration to stop using carrots and use a stick as well. funding. we provide a disproportionate measure of funding and should use that as a lthrottle. >> bill: you can threaten reform but whether you get any change is an open question. will you get something from this or not? >> i don't think we'll get a lot of this from the human rights council. when have you a human rights cou...

As the $31 million. they're saying hey, if donald trump didn't have that his effective tax rate would have been substantially less and far less than the average person out there. that's the political spin on it. the bottom line as we see now in 2005 the president paid a lot of more taxes and a higher tax rate than a lot of people in the same bracket. >> shannon: the allegations was that for years he didn't pay taxes and 25% and you said he paid more than a lot of people in the bracket. it begs the question he said of course i'll pay as little as possible. anyone who makes that kind of money wi...