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Proves that they have been doing that this entire time, right? that, you know, you saw the attorney general make that promise that they were going to follow the facts wherever they may lead and they've been doing that and so the white house, folks in the white house that you talk to today after this stuff has broken are saying this is, you know, are breathing a sigh of relief because they have been wanting to make sure that this is taken as seriously as possible especially because they believe that the president believes all his aides believe this is much bigger than just one election, right. ...

Obstruct or impede congress' official proceedings to count electoral votes? >> neal, i guess the question i want to press you on and understand is that the question before the committee, whether trump through action or inaction corruptly sought to obstruct or corrupt congress' official proceedings or is congresswoman asking that because she believes that as you do that doj isn't? >> well, it is a question before the committee and it should be before the committee whether or not there's a belief that the justice department is looking at it or not. it's perfectly within the purview of the commit...

Here, we've been waiting for word of the public hearings now we finally got t committee will announce who will testify but who do you think they'll call as witnesses? >> such an important question for the committee, i'd look at two things in identifying witnesses, first you want people with access, who were inside the room, the white house or somewhere closely to the action but also people who don't have the blind loyalty to donald trump who are willing to tell the truth so i see a few categories of people who could emerge here, people, mike pence's aides, showing they're willing to come to th...

Of power that experts say is worse than watergate. The doj has been caught surveiling certainly people, club a minor, which the former president s top aides where are eager to defend. Even Attorney General barr is denying any involvement or knowledge, rather than spinning a defense. Ditto for trumps first Attorney General justice. Both just claimed they didnt knows about the putinesque plots. Now, that is the context for the further fallout and news that i can get into with our experts and with you tonight. We have doj moves that have become kind of like a legal orphan, because barr and sessio...

Investigating the january 6 attack on the capitol. and joining me now is msnbc daily columnist and editor hayes brown. his latest piece is titled "doj official jeffrey clark pushed trump's coup from the inside. we need to know why." welcome, my friend. let's get into this. walk us through who jeffrey clark is and why he's so crucial to the january 6 committee investigation. >> so jeffrey clark is not the kind of person you would have expected to be backing trump's coup at the start of things. he was a republican lawyer. he was at doj for a while, two years running their environmental division....