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You believe it was entirely possible that the president was, in fact, spied on. >> yes, in fact, they are taking in fundamentally the entire fiber network inside the united states and collecting all that data and storing it in a program for -- they call it it's stellar wind is the name for their program. that's the domestic collection of data on u.s. citizens. u.s. citizens to other u.s. citizens. everything we are doing. phone calls, emails and financial transactions. credit cards, things like that. all of it. >> tucker: so if you found someone objectionable or dangerous, the temptation would...

This is my last question, and it's an obvious one. the nsa is not a country. to whom they report i want everything have you on x. aren't they required to give it's to him? > yes. but, again, he will never know if they do. because they don't necessarily have to do that internally. you see, you had nunes and others saying thatee they never really got to see the raw data. so it's a question of whether or not they pull out the raw data and give him that data or anything, reports generated off that. they don't have to. and they have been lying to them for consistently for a very long time. >> tuck...

Argue that would have been the equivalent of the comey letter as regards trump and paid the difference in terms of the campaign. >> tucker:e we may be arguing the same thing. i thought that hisno announceme, that hillary was under investigation, that was appalling. and he ought to be fired for that. i thought that at the time and i think it now. you guys are making a purely partisan when there's something much more important at stake, the integrity of our government. >> i i don't disagree that we nd to get to the bottom, get the intelligence agencies not acting like their their own boss. >> tu...

Not allowed to be collecting evidence. you are saying that that's been perverted for many years. >> yeah, since 2001. >> tucker: so, what do you make of considering what you said the nsa has all the information so presumably they could prove or disprove the claims about russian tampering in this election. prove or disprove russia's tweet about being spied upon. why wouldn't they? >> well, that would get into the extent of which they have penetrated the network inside the united states. there is another program going on here that too many people aren't talking about. i think you were trying to ...

There was surveillance legal or otherwise and the unmasking of americans and dissemination so that some of these leaks that have occurred could have come from things that were testify fairously done inside surveillance. that's what he is saying with details pending in investigations. clayton: that's the key. he admitted he didn't have those documents. he have to wait to see what's inside of those documents before we have clear evidence. abby: last night tucker carlson had on bill benning whistleblower he said there is a program on n. place to. >> inside nsa there is a set of people who are -- ...