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Not right wing or far right? >>. >> look at the people that we've nominated. remember this about me. i'm an inside outside guy. i've been a reformer my entire career, but i used to want to knock the walls of the city down. now i'm running the city. but you know what i learned? i can still be a big reformer, and now i can put my hands on the dials and bring about the change which i've done in ohio. >> you are not an outsider. they are doing well in the polling right now. are you concerned about your ability to overcome the establishment? >> i thought you said it was the outsiders. >> they're do...

To be out there and around, and you would be shocked at the kind of people who are now wanting to talk to me. it's amazing. so we just have to keep it going. i have to keep having fun, keep can my energy level up. i'm going great. i mean, i may actually have more energy than chris matthews. i know that's hard to believe, but i might. >> that's not conceivable. >> i'll tell you something. it's always so much fun to be with chris. i used to host your show when you were out, and then you stopped me because my ratings were so good. >> i doubt. i think it went to fox. is the old republican party of...

>> who? >> in the trump but -- >> do you think jeb has any competition for the establishment role for the incumbent? >> let me finish the point. >> i think there is a question who will be the outsider but i still think it will be trump but jeb is clearly the inside guy. >> that's why trump and jeb are beating up on each other. trump knows jeb bush is the one person standing between him and the nomination and jeb knows that trump is the one person who is sucking out all the oxygen, keeping attention away from him. they got to clobber each other. the longer you have people in the race -- >> did ...

Terms. his brother was president. his father was president and 1 in 12 republicans trust him on the economy. he's got ground to make up. >> jeb's people would like this to be jeb versus trump but trump versus everybody else and everybody else splintered a million ways. the republicans are -- >> splinter is a good word. they are all in single digits. >> so when republicans try to say look, three quarters of the party, 75% is not for trump but they can't consolidate. jeb's people would like him to be the one they rally around but i think there are other choices for these sort of establishment-mi...

>> of course it's a possible turn of events. there are other people in the race that could possibly be the jeb person -- >> who? >> in the trump but -- >> do you think jeb has any competition for the establishment role for the incumbent? >> let me finish the point. >> i think there is a question who will be the outsider but i still think it will be trump but jeb is clearly the inside guy. >> that's why trump and jeb are beating up on each other. trump knows jeb bush is the one person standing between him and the nomination and jeb knows that trump is the one person who is sucking out all the o...