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Crimes. and president -- and what president trump has done is not only attacked these children, not only demonized these immigrants, he is attacking a basic principle of america's moral core. we open our hearts to the stranger. >> marianne williamson, obviously not a typical candidate, not an insider candidate. we've got a few different outsiders running this year on the democratic ticket. powerful moment from her on the issue of kids being taken away from their parents. you could hear it very well-received in the room. another candidate chosen at random. vice president joe biden. vice preside...

Other point, right now there's a vacuum in the democratic 2020 field. there's no overwhelming figure that we think is a front-runner as hillary clinton was in 2016. and the democrats are about to change their rules diminishing the rules of super delegates. so the rise of a so-called insider candidate who comes from the democratic establishment is going to be, that possibility is diminished in 2020. with all these factors it makes sense for oprah to be. also take note because i covered this from when she did become a political figure in 2008 to help her friend barack obama in the primaries, tha...

Start to say, well who takes the outsider mantle? ted cruz is in that position. maybe some of the governors thinking again of a kasich. you know, maybe he would then push past bush on that side. it is who is the insider, who is the outsider. if trump is gone, as the outsider, look for a major reshuffling. bill: that is interesting. mercedes, can you say today who will not be the nominee? >> who will not be the nominee? i think we can start with the jv team. we've got obviously governor jindal, senator rick santorum, governor pataki. those would be ones i would say would need to go. i think at ...

Not entirely new you would have an outsider moment. let me get back to eric. the leader leading this poll they are the outsiders. some have never served in insiders. the more moderates, they're not doing as great right now. why is that? >> well one of the strongest forces, at least for the moment is the outsider dynamic. after that widely washed first debate. people tuned in by the millions and it wasn't just donald trump. so you've seen some benefit flow to candidates like carly fiorina and ben carson who have moved up. they are going to become competitors to donald trump for that outsider ...