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Right at the border. of course they did not use their troops and when the federal troops came in and ushered students in to school, that solved the problem. but it was about as close as you can get without being in an insurrection position. hopefully we're not going there again, keith. >> the backing away from this seems encouraging, if nothing else out of oklahoma is. john dean columnist for findlaw.com, author of "worst than watergate" and many other great books, thank you, john. >> thank you, keith. could any politician be desperate enough for renomination to propose at a senate hearing a...

Can get without being in an insurrection position. hopefully we're not going there again, keith. >> the backing away from this seems encouraging, if nothing else out of oklahoma is. author of many great books, thank you, john. >> thank you, keith. could any politician be desperate enough for renomination to propose at a senate hearing another preemptive war against another middle eastern country? john mccain did, and this time he isn't just singing bomb, bomb iran. national car rental? that's my choice.

You find yourself at war with the federal government, you find yourself in a civil war situation. that indeed also is treason. so i think the line is pretty clear, and hopefully these people have not contemplated crossing it and they're backing down. >> how close do you suppose we got to any of that with, say, governor fobas in '57 or governor wallace or other southern governors in the great decade of civil rights reform? >> pretty close. when you're defy agorder of the supreme court and the president has decided he wants to execute that order as eisenhower did with brown v-board of education ...