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What happened in the civil war. we've had sedition before, where it has become treasonous and indeed that's the result. you find yourself at war with the federal government, you find yourself in a civil war situation. that indeed also is treason. so i think the line is pretty clear, and hopefully these people have not contemplated crossing it and they're backing down. >> how close do you suppose we got to any of that with, say, governor fobas in '57 or governor wallace or other southern governors in the great decades of civil rights reform? >> pretty close. when you're defined an order of the ...

You find yourself at war with the federal government, you find yourself in a civil war situation. that indeed also is treason. so i think the line is pretty clear, and hopefully these people have not contemplated crossing it and they're backing down. >> how close do you suppose we got to any of that with, say, governor fobas in '57 or governor wallace or other southern governors in the great decade of civil rights reform? >> pretty close. when you're defy agorder of the supreme court and the president has decided he wants to execute that order as eisenhower did with brown v-board of education ...