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Minimum very curious as to what the president really believes about whether or not he should pardon any of these people and when. so i do think it's a big deal. >> devlin barrett, national security reporter with the "washington post." really appreciate you being with us on a friday night. thanks, devlin. >> sure. >> much appreciated. i should also mention on that pardon point it does complicate both the politics and the legal approach that a president might take trying to sort of save himself, paul manafort's potential testimony by pardoning paul manafort. mr. manafort is charged alongside som...

Approach that a president might take trying to sort of save himself, paul manafort's potential testimony by pardoning paul manafort. mr. manafort is charged alongside somebody who's believed to be a russian intelligence agent. and unless the president's also going to pardon the russian intelligence agent, this prosecution would presumably continue along the lines that it has been pursued thus far, even if paul manafort got that get out of jail free card. so you think the president's going to pardon the russian guys too? maybe. we'll be right back. to your bumper, cause.... heard about your big...

Something drawing the american president to do things in favor of russia against the western alliance that no president would ever contemplate doing. >> steve schmidt laid it out bluntly as he often does on twitter. i think it's time to give vladimir p h due. he's clearly the greatest intelligence agent ever. he's engineered the unraveling of the western alliance, fidelity to democracy of the united states and severing the u.k. from the e.u. a remarkable achievement. and director of national intelligence dan coates says russia is attempting to influence u.s. midterms and devise alliances. west...

Although it is collusion after the election in 2018. but here we have someone who is now in russia who probably isn't going to come any time soon to face these charges, having conspiracied with donald trump's campaign manager. >> ken, it's remarkable to me to consider that given the legal peril paul manafort is facing, he is wearing two ankle bracelets, staring a the possibility of dying in jail that's, according to what's alleged in the indictment in the complaint document, running around taling to sub on perjury and cover up and collaborating with a possible russian intelligence agent. >> ch...

Now in russia who probably isn't going to come any time soon to face these charges having conspired with donald trump's campaign manager. >> you know ken, it's remarkable to me to consider girvet legal peril paul manafort is facing, he's currently wearing two ankle bracelets facing charges in two different federal districts staring at the possibility of dying in jail, that he is according to what's alleged in the indictment and the complaint document running around attempting to sub born perjury and cover up and collaborating with a possible russian intelligence agent. >> yeah, my sources tell...