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Someone who served the country as senator mccain did. was that disappointing? >> there was. and i think the world of mike hayden, we've had some differences but very few over the years. one of those at the time was one on which senator mccain spoke with enormous moral force and that was the issue of enhanced interrogation technique which is he opposed and, in fact, the field manual that we produced when i was a three star in the states between the three and four star tours in iraq, same year as the counterinsurgency field manual, that manual on treatment of detainees did not include that provi...

Interrogation technique and and is not convinced they want to do that. >> at the same time someone like heitkamp, young others, liberal perhaps request with this in particular, gina haspel is otherwise very qualified candidate, right? i did that will weigh heavily on the mind of heitkamp in this way because she does not want, there's no good reason to hold up this nominee. it would be hard to explain relitigating the past. there is justification to hold up the nominee to her voters in her own state. as a really hard argument. >> finally, will happen with gina haspel? >> i think gina haspel wil...

Always great to see you, though, gives us an excuse to talk often. jill wine banks, former assistant watergate special prosecutor. >> thank you ali. to the white house. kelly o'donnell is standing by. she covered the mccain campaign i'm sure in that press briefing that's underway with the health and human services secretary but sarah huckabee sanders hasn't started her questions yet, there are going to be a lot of questions about the mccain comments. >> i would expect that our colleagues in the white house press corps would ask about a staffer who made this remark about senator mccain in the...

Leaders talking about that interrogation technique. i don't remember them making hay about it. they made hay about it when those techniques became public and it became a public issue. i think what's happened is, much as i dislike the term, had a national conversation and a national reckoning a few years removed from 9/11 and decided that as a country, we weren't going to do this anymore. but this is a conversation that congressional leaders were involved with and didn't do much about at the time. >> and a key architect of the policies at the time and key supporter at the time, the former vice ...

Leadership, on my watch, cia will not restart a detention and interrogation program. cia has learned some tough lessons from that experience. we were asked to tackle a mission that fell outside our expertise. for me, there is no better example of implementing lessons learned than what the agency took away from that program. in retrospect, it is clear as the majority report concluded, that cia was not prepared to conduct a detention and interrogation program. today, the u.s. government has a clear, legal and policy framework that governs detentions and interrogations, specifically the law provi...