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Rapport-building techniques, which by the way, are legal. >> and that's the valid point here. in fact, we have testimony. we have the information that he got from abu zubaydah, and we know that to be more reliable than what was got from enhanced interrogation techniques, and to this day there are people who will defend the idea that interrogation works. what's in it for hem to defend it, other than protecting their own legacy? >> i think that's precisely what's in it for them. they're right to pretend that what they did was great, when the record shows just the opposite. and this was not somet...

The earmarks i put in bills. i'll defend earmarks. i'll defend earmarks. >> the only person who has seemed fit to run an attack ad against rick santorum is rick perry. that was that ad. there's the issue of rick santorum not just defending torture but saying john mccain was only against torture because john mccain doesn't understand it. mr. santorum saying, "he doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works. i mean, you break somebody, and after they're broken they become cooperative." rick santorum understands. that john mccain, what's he ever done to -- yeah. there's also the time rick ...

>> the only person who has seemed fit to run an attack ad against rick santorum is rick perry. that was that ad. there's the issue of rick santorum not just defending torture but saying john mccain was only against torture because john mccain doesn't understand it. mr. santorum saying, "he doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works. i mean, you break somebody, and after they're broken they become cooperative." rick santorum understands. that john mccain, what's he ever done to -- yeah. there's also the time rick santorum said president obama being in favor of abortion rights was, "alm...

I'll defend earmarks. >> the only person who has seemed fit to run an attack ad against rick santorum is rick perry. that was that ad. there's the issue of rick santorum not just defending torture but saying john mccain was only against torture because john mccain doesn't understand it. mr. santorum saying, "he doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works. i mean, you break somebody, and after they're broken they become cooperative." rick santorum understands. that john mccain, what's he ever done to -- yeah. there's also the time rick santorum said president obama being in favor of abo...

I'll defend earmarks. i'll defend earmarks. >> the only person who has seemed fit to run an attack ad against rick santorum is rick perry. that was that ad. there's the issue of rick santorum not just defending torture but saying john mccain was only against torture because john mccain doesn't understand it. mr. santorum saying, "he doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works. i mean, you break somebody, and after they're broken they become cooperative." rick santorum understands. that john mccain, what's he ever done to -- yeah. there's also the time rick santorum said president obama...