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I couldn't tell exactly. heather: thank you so much. crazy. the time is half past the top of the hour and surveys show 12 states said sued the trumpet ministration i you a us citizen. >> the trumpet ministration is trying to scare people. this is an intimidation tactic. the 20 democrats claim it is against the law. our legal panel is on deck to debate it. a seventh-grade are suspended for this stick figure drawing of a gun. is that fair? his father has a message. ♪

Wilbur ross is standing by his decision. he says the administration wants an accurate tally of voters to protect against voter discrimination. watch. >> we've done an analyses and we've concluded the benefits to the voting rights act enforcement of asking the question outweighs the other issues. >> governor, i'm coming to you first. democrats have said this is an intimidation tactic and shouldn't be in the census. what is your view? >> it shouldn't be in the census. it's going to depress voter turnout especially among hispanics. it's going to dispress turnout. in the census, you're african ame...

The act as a per verse justification. >> if you're looking a potentially losing a seat in california, the census about citizenship? should it matter who is and isn't a citizen in this country? urchlts the enumeration says count the number of persons in the united states. it doesn't talk about the number of citizens. accuracy is always the north star of the census. i had the privilege in the clinton administration and the obama administration to be involved in these discussions. it was always about accuracy. what this is about, that the trump administration is trying to do, is they're trying to...

He never identified himself as a trump employee. i didn't even put the two together. i had a suspicion. it was weird. it wasn't my first campaign so i've seen and heard threats before. i assumed he was trump supporter and put it behind me. obviously didn't stop because the campaign continued and then donald trump threatened to sue me for $25 million. and michael cohen was saying i was engaging in mafia-style tactics and calling into radio programs i was on. it was exactly -- when stormy was talking last night, the pattern of behavior and some of the players sounded very, very familiar. >> jaso...

It didn't make sense. the strange thing is he was talking to reporters too. he never identified himself as a trump employee. i didn't even put the two together. i had a suspicion. it was weird. it wasn't my first campaign so i've seen and heard threats before. i assumed he was trump supporter and put it behind me. obviously didn't stop because the campaign continued and then donald trump threatened to sue me for $25 million. and michael cohen was saying i was engaging in mafia-style tactics and calling into radio programs i was on. it was exactly -- when stormy was talking last night, the patt...