County wisconsin, the town of cedar berg, the joe biden won by 19 votes, the first democratic carried in a quarter century. so those are the places in america that we ll have our ion on on november 5 and he believes that if trump talks about policies it will help him in the suburbs not dwell on the conviction will see, well, i think this is so relevant to the conversation we were having previously about foreign policy, right? because a lot of what joe biden has tried to do with his soaring rhetoric about marci is also connect that to the domestic debate. the importance of democracy at home, the attack on democracy that he would argue that donald trump represents in the way he s attack the rule of law and institutions like the court in the wake of, for example, the criminal verdict. but that s only one of many, right instances where trump has done this. so i think we see that the biden campaign doing this more and more, trying to connect the democracy argument